04:22 < walt> hahaha, I love whem vim help talks about performance.. Can tell when it was originally written
04:22 < walt> "Vim does on-the-fly spell checking.  To make this work fast the word list is
04:22 < walt> oh gosh
04:22 < dawik> i use airline. its pretty nice
04:22 < walt> loaded in memory.  Thus this uses a lot of memory (1 Mbyte or more)."
04:22 < gfixler> dawik: me too
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04:22 < mozzarella> I just want a line that tells me the current buffer number and the total number of buffers
04:23 < mozzarella> does airline do that?
04:23 < gfixler> QED - the Quick EDitor was created at the University of California at Berkeley in the late 60s
04:23 < gfixler> Ken Thompson was part of that team
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04:24 < gfixler> while working on QED, he used a paper he read from the 50s by a mathemetician - Stephen Cole Kleene - on regular sets
04:24 < gfixler> and he - Ken Thompson - implemented the first ever regular expression engine in QED in the late 60s
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04:24 < gfixler> around 1970 he rewrote QED in assembly on a PDP-11, calling it ed, the EDitor
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04:25 < mozzarella> the standard editor?
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04:25 < gfixler> being in assembly, and coming from a pre-K&R world, it was not memory-safe, so almost no plugins were written for it
04:25 < ARM9> what standard editor
04:25 < gfixler> mozzarella: yep
04:25 < gfixler> Ken helped create Unix, and much of the work was done in ed
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04:25 < gfixler> and ed was one of the first programs you could use on Unix
04:26 < ARM9> ah, we talking ed
04:26 < mozzarella> I have never used ed, looks painful to use to be honest
04:26 < gfixler> then half a decade later, in 1976, Bill Joy rewrote ed in the now post-K&R world, in C
04:26 < gfixler> it was memory safe, so you could write plugins without constantly stomping on the editor's memory space
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04:26 < gfixler> he called it ex, for the EXtended editor
04:27 < gfixler> it seems like pretty much at the same time he also started building a screen mode for it
04:27 < gfixler> up to the point editing and coding was being done on teletype machines
04:27 < gfixler> the first of these appeared around 1901, funded by Joy Morton of the Morton Salt Company
04:27 < gfixler> they were typewriters that could hook to each other over telephone lines
04:28 < gfixler> and if you typed on one, all the ones connected to it typed the same thing
04:28 < gfixler> it was like chatrooms
04:28 < ARM9> lol
04:28 < gfixler> many even had a button that you could press that would print out on your end all the other teletypes that were connected to you
04:28 < ARM9> I love little history lessons like these
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04:28 < gfixler> these were used by big business, like railroads and the AP
04:28 < ARM9> irc 1901 edition
04:29 < ARM9> wonder if anyone made a bot for it
04:29 < gfixler> yeah, they were basically typewriters - which started appearing in the 1700s or even earlier
04:29 < gfixler> mixed with morse code, which came along in the 1800s, IIRC
04:29 < osse> mozzarella: statusline is what you're after because it's the only thing you can freely customize
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04:29 < gfixler> a couple of guys were like "Why don't we hook up typewriters to morse code so we can just type words?
04:29 < gfixler> and Joy Morton threw money at them
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04:30 < gfixler> so these things are almost gone now, but there were like 100s of 1000s of them by the 60s
04:30 < gfixler> all over the place
04:30 < gfixler> so in the 60s, when computers started to become a thing, and people were inputting information into them a byte at a time by flipping 8 switches to 0 and 1 positions, then pressing a button to input that byte
04:30 < gfixler> someone realized they should just adapt mainframes to understand teletypes
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04:31 < gfixler> which had been around for 60 years
04:31 < gfixler> so Unix was written that way
04:31 < gfixler> ed was a 'line editor'
04:31 < gfixler> because you were literally typing on paper
04:31 < gfixler> there was no screen, so there was no such thing as a cursor
04:31 < gfixler> when you wanted to see the line you were on, you would type p (and it would smack a p on the paper), then hit enter
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04:31 < gfixler> and it would print out the line you were on
04:31 < gfixler> if you wanted to see a different line, you could type the number, like 17, and hit enter
04:32 < gfixler> it would take you to that line and print it out
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04:32 < gfixler> this is ed I'm describing
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04:32 < gfixler> this was line editing
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04:32 < gfixler> if you wanted to change line 7, you'd type 7c and hit enter
04:32 < gfixler> it would move you to line 7, erase it from memory, and you could start typing
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04:32 < gfixler> you could keep adding lines, too
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04:32 < gfixler> until you hit enter, then a period, then another enter
04:32 < gfixler> that would exit the insert mode
04:32 < gfixler> there was no escape key
04:33 < gfixler> there also weren't capital letters
04:33 < gfixler> I mean there weren't lower case
04:33 < gfixler> there were only capitals
04:33 < gfixler> so Ken Thompson reimplemented regex in ed
04:33 < gfixler> you could type s/find/replace, and it would find find and replace it with replace on the current line
04:34 < gfixler> you could do that on a different line: 7s/find/replace, or on a range: 7,10s/find/replace
04:34 < gfixler> there were shortcuts - 0,$s/find/replace would do the whole document
04:34 < gfixler> and 0,$ had a shortcut, too - %
04:34 < gfixler> all of this is still in Vim
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04:34 < gfixler> you could print out a bunch of lines with 3,8p
04:34 < gfixler> which also works in vim
04:35 < gfixler> :3,10p
04:35 < gfixler> try it
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04:35 < gfixler> there was also :8,20n
04:35 < gfixler> that did the same thing, but put the line numbers in front of the lines, followed by a tab
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04:35 < walt> writing unix musst have been real fun
04:35 < gfixler> that's also still in Vim, but you can't use n any more
04:35 < osse> gfixler: in vim there's now :# instread of :n
04:35 < gfixler> you have to use #, e.g. :3,10#
04:35 < gfixler> osse - right!
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04:36 < gfixler> I forget what n does now
04:36 < gfixler> next?
04:36 < osse> oui
04:36 < gfixler> cool
04:36 < ARM9> I use :n to open a bunch of files at once
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04:36 < ARM9> :n src/**
04:36 < gfixler> there was also global, e.g. g/find/action
04:36 < gfixler> that would find find and do action on each line
04:37 < gfixler> the manual supposedly listed a very common example: g/re/p
04:37 < gfixler> which would find 're' (your regular expression) and p (print/put) each line that matched
04:37 < gfixler> which would literally type out each matching line on the paper in your teletype machine
04:37 < gfixler> Ken Thompson later took the code for global and ripped it out
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04:37 < gfixler> and made grep, which does what g/re/p did in ed
04:38 < gfixler> it finds the lines that match your regex and prints them out
04:38 < gfixler> it's a filter
04:38 < gfixler> specifically, it's a 'stream editor'
04:38 < gfixler> you can't move around and make decisions - stream editors take some actions and then perform them on a stream of text passing through them
04:38 < gfixler> so terminals were appearing - CRTs
04:39 < tek0> are you on cocaine?
04:39 < gfixler> and Bill Joy was porting the assembly ed to the C ex
04:39 < mozzarella> were there other operating system popular at the time? other than unix
04:39 < gfixler> and decided to make a visual version that would have a cursor
04:39 < gfixler> this would be a screen editro
04:39 < gfixler> editor*
04:39 < gfixler> he called it vi for the VIsual editor
04:40 < gfixler> it started as a symlink to ex
04:40 < gfixler> and grew from there
04:40 < gfixler> ex and vi were built simultaneously around '76
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04:41 < gfixler> then in 89 or so, Bram Moolenaar ported a port of vi (the Atari ST version, IIRC) to the Amiga
04:41 < gfixler> vim initially stood for VI IMitation
04:41 < gfixler> but a year later, it started to get more serious, so he renamed it VI IMproved
04:42 < gfixler> mozzarella: yes, it was a mix of things
04:42 < gfixler> lots of OSes, because they were very small, and it was possible for one person or a few people to make them in not too long a time period
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04:42 < gfixler> which made things crazy - apparently it felt like every computer ran its own unique thing
04:43 < gfixler> tek0: mods are asleep, post history lessons
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04:43 < gfixler> so ex was hugely popular, because it was memory-safe - literally hundreds of plugins were written for it
04:43 < mozzarella> why couldn't you use vi on a amiga?
04:43 < walt> gfixler: which would make sense as if you are making a computer, with some specific hardware, and making an OS is not a big task, then it's more streamlined to just develop the software for your hardware also
04:43 < ProfOak_> So I've been afk most of this time, but I have been enjoying this story time
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04:44 < gfixler> and regular expressions, global, ranges, range shortcuts, and the 'language' of text manipulation have been around since the late 60s
04:44 < mozzarella> was it not written in portable C?
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04:44 < gfixler> QED -> ed -ex -vi -Vim
04:44 < gfixler> ProfOak_: glad you liked it
04:44 < gfixler> walt: agreed
04:44 < ProfOak_> are you batman?
04:44 < gfixler> haha
04:44 < gfixler> batman uses emacs :(
04:45 < ProfOak_> lol...
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04:45 < FernandoBasso> And he controls his bat vehicle from emacs. Vim is unable to do that.
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04:46 < walt> FernandoBasso: because it lacks real async operations :(
04:46 < walt> life is hard for batman
04:46 < sven^> hey guys.. I have a server where I cannot access /usr/share/vim, so I did a let $VIMRUNTIME='~/.vimshare/' on top of my .vimrc. It seemed to work at first but then I realized that the colurschemes just don't do anything anymore. How can I debug that?
04:46 < gfixler> he has very strong wrists - they can handle all the chords
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04:47 < gfixler> sven^: put your color schemes in that directory?
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04:49 < Zeedox> M-bat-c solve-crime
04:49 < gfixler> I need a bat key