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Shawn Adorno (Saugerties, NY): I've heard a comp of Carlos Delgado for Rafael Devers. So hard to project power... but do you think that is his ceiling? Also, how quickly do the Red Sox feel Moncada could reach the bigs? Thanks. @Shawn Adorno (Saugerties, NY): 我聽到有人將Rafael Devers比為Carlos Delgado, power真的很難預測啊...但你認為Devers的天花板在哪? Alex Speier: His ceiling is middle-of-the-order All-Star, and he has a chance to stay at third, which opens up a different array of comps. I heard comparisons to young versions of Cano, Beltre, and Sandoval. There isn’t that much imagination needed to project his power, though — I saw him demolish some pitches to straightaway CF, in a way that 18-year-olds rarely do. Alex Speier: Devers的天花板是打線核心的全明星球員,而且他有機會待在三壘─這點 讓模板比較更複雜了。我聽到的版本有年輕版的Cano, Beltre, Sandoval。還有有關他的 power預測,其實不需要用太多的想像力補足,Devers已經能把球幹出中外野─這對18歲 球員來說是相當罕見的。 -- CVC (Ohio): Is Marco Hernandez breakout sustainable? and do you think he'll be able to be a regular or mainly just a utility player? CVC (Ohio): Marco Hernandez的爆發能持續嗎?他能成為先發還是只能擔任工具人? Alex Speier: Most likely a utility guy, but he’s a solid defender with the ability to make some hard contact, so there’s at least a chance he could spend time as something more than that at some point in his career. Obviously, the Sox thought it was worth a 40-man spot to see where his 2015 step forward goes. Alex Speier: 比較有可能成為工具人,但是他的防守佳、打擊能打得紮實,所以他至少 有機會獲得更多的上場機會。顯然紅襪認為把他加進40人名單、多加觀察是值得的。 -- Kyle (Columbus): What is your opinion on Wendal Rijo. Was he close to making this list. Does he look like a Regular or a utility player? Kyle (Columbus): 你對Wendal Rijo的評價如何?他偏向先發還是工具人? Alex Speier: Rijo doesn’t have a clean consensus. He has at least a chance to be an everyday guy, because the hit tool is very advanced for a teenager and he showed considerable defensive improvement this year at 2B. He doesn’t seem to profile as a utility option, however, since he’s probably limited in the IF to 2B. He’ll represent an interesting 40-man protection question after this coming season. Alex Speier: 球探們對Rijo的評價依然不一。他還有機會成為每日先發,因為他擁有超 齡的hit tool、二壘的防守也有大幅進步。 但是Rijo並不符合工具人的要件,他應該只能守內野或二壘。他在下季結束後能不能進 入40人名單將是觀察重點。 -- Randall (Salem): What do we think the power upside on Benintendi is? Would you venture a comp? Randall (Salem): Benintendi的power天花板在哪?模板? Alex Speier: He hit 31 homers in about 110 games in college and the minors this year, so … the ultimate power upside has to be viewed as impressive, even if a more reasonable expectation would be about half that figure. Some of the comps brought up by scouts/evaluators: Mark Kotsay, LH version of Mookie Betts (small in stature but with great approach and ability to barrel the ball), Ellsbury, among others. Alex Speier: 他在大學和小聯盟的110場比賽就打出31支全壘打,所以最高的天花板... 很棒─合理推估可能落在一半。有些球探的比較是Mark Kotsay、左打版Mookie Betts (身材矮但打擊策略優異、能紮實咬中球)、Ellsbury等等。 -- Ben (Rhode Island): I know it's tough to predict but who does Anderson Espinoza remind you of in today's game? And what do you see his ceiling being? Ben (Rhode Island): 我知道很難預測,但是Anderson Espinoza像哪位投手?他的天花 板在哪? Alex Speier: His slight stature, smooth delivery, incredible power stuff, and maturity/makeup prompted a lot of people to say that he reminded them of a teenage Pedro, including Goose Gregson, the Red Sox’ Latin American pitching coordinator who worked with a 16-/17-year-old Pedro with the Dodgers. Pedro said the same. He has the makings of three plus pitches, so there’s legitimate ace potential. That’s far from a guarantee (see Bundy, Dylan), but he’s ridiculously talented at a ridiculously young age. Alex Speier: 身材稍偏矮瘦、投球機制順暢、驚人的球速並擁有成熟度和不錯的makeup ,讓許多人聲稱看到年輕版Pedro(包含在Pedro年輕時合作過的訓練員)、甚至是Pedro 本人都這麼說。Espinosa有三個plus球種,所以這代表著ace潛力。當然這不能保證他確 實能成為ace(看看Dylan Bundy),但是Espinosa這麼年輕就擁有這種天分,誇張。 -- Raymond (New York): Hi Alex, what do you think of the cost for Kimbrel ? I think the Red Sox did quite well as they kept a lot of their better prospects and didn't lose any high draftees.(Owens,Johnson,Ball, Kopech,Bradley) thanks Raymond (New York): 您覺得Kimbrel交易案的代價如何?我覺得紅襪做得很好,他們留 下很多更棒的新秀,也沒丟掉高順位選進來的人(Owens,Johnson,Ball, Kopech, Bradley)。 Alex Speier: They preserved their complete inventory of major league cornerstone players (Bogaerts, Betts, Swihart, Rodriguez) and their top four prospects. I’m still at least a bit surprised that three prospects of that caliber ended up getting moved (Guerra and Margot along with Asuaje wouldn’t have done it?), but I also think that the way the market values relievers is in a state of flux that requires everyone to reassess their preconceptions … in the same way that we need to stop expressing shock that “OMG, how is worth $20 million a year?” To get an elite starter along with two elite relievers while giving up two excellent prospects who happened to be at redundant positions and keeping the draft pick … the larger picture seems reasonable for what the Sox have done this offseason. Alex Speier: 紅襪保留了所有大聯盟基石(Bogaerts, Betts, Swihart, Rodriguez)以及 四大新秀。我多少還是對於三個這種層級的新秀被賣掉感到驚訝,但我認為市場對於牛棚 投手的價值衡量已經改變了,大家必須跟著改變舊思維─就像是我們必須停止屏除「挖, $20M欸,好貴」這種思維。為了抓下王牌先發和兩個優質牛棚,賣掉位置重複的兩位頂級 新秀並留下選秀權...通盤思考,紅襪的move似乎合情合理。 -- JJ O'Connor (Mass): Where would Manuel Margot rank on this list? And is it true he wasn't as valued by Red Sox officials as most in the outside thought? JJ O'Connor (Mass): Manuel Margot排在哪?他在紅襪眼中是否沒外界估的那麼高? Alex Speier: He was valued plenty … but the Sox have Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, not to mention Basabe. The industry consensus on him, both inside and outside the Sox organization, came across as very consistent: Excellent likelihood of being a roughly average everyday CF who hits in the bottom third of the order. Alex Speier: 他的評價很高,但是紅襪手上已經有Betts, Bradley, Benintendi,還有 是Basabe。球團內外的評價都很類似,很高的機會能成為平均等級的先發CF、打線中的 最後三棒。 -- Wellington (Fort Myers, FL): There seems to be a drop off after the top 6/7. Anyone on the lower levels of the system that could make a big leap? Wellington (Fort Myers, FL): 感覺第6,7名跟後面的新秀有很大的落差。後面有哪位新 秀能爆發? Alex Speier: I do agree that there’s a pretty significant drop beyond the top seven — not a lot of guys beyond that who combine high probability with high ceiling, but that’s the nature of the beast. It was, frankly, ridiculous that the Sox had as deep a pool of high-end prospects as they did prior to the Kimbrel trade. Alex Speier: 我同意Top 7跟後面有不小差距,農場裡高成功率與高天花板兼具的球員 畢竟是少數,但是在Kimbrel交易案前紅襪農場中的高級新秀深度只能用誇張來形容。 -- Adirondack (Syracuse, NY): Red Sox first baseman of the future, Travis Shaw or Sam Travis? Which player has the better all around skills? Adirondack (Syracuse, NY): 紅襪未來一壘手,Travis Shaw or Sam Travis?哪一位 選手較為全面? Alex Speier: Good question. Travis has a better hit tool. Shaw has more present power and is a better defender. He’s also lefthanded, which helps. Somehow, I see the Sox gerrymandering playing time for both for a number of years. Alex Speier: 好問題。Travis有比較優的hit tool,Shaw展現出更多power,防守也比較 好─而且是左打,這點有不小幫助。我的感覺是紅襪有幾年會給兩個人分享上場時間。 -- Manolo Ozuna (Providence, RI): How do scouts grade Espinoza's secondary pitches? Manolo Ozuna (Providence, RI): 球探對Espinosa的變化球評價? Alex Speier: The changeup and curve were both viewed as being at least average now, albeit without the consistency one would seek out of a major leaguer. But Espinoza has super-long fingers that let him perform some feats of prestidigitation when it comes to manipulating and spinning a baseball. Alex Speier: changeup和curve至少都是average,但還缺乏大聯盟球員的穩定性。 題外話,Espinosa擁有超長的手指,這給他操控球種的優勢。 -- Athletic frame. High baseball IQ. Xander Smooth, fluid swing. Bogaerts Elite batspeed. #01 Strong and explosive hands. Above-average-to-better power ceiling, potential 30 home run bat. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.79.163.76 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/RedSox/M.1450798853.A.49E.html
jameshu0910: 12/23 00:05
Okajima: Manuel Margot如果只能長成後三棒,那趁現在賣是對的 12/23 00:20
JButton: 推 12/23 00:20
KOSHON: 有看有推。哇嗚,年輕版神右,有沒這麼high 啊 12/23 00:21
Unleashed: 推! 12/23 00:29
tortoise2006: 每次看這種都覺得很熱血 12/23 00:51
mygoing: 每次看到有小Pedro之類的都有無限想像空間 12/23 01:47
myde: Benintendi模板竟然是Kotsay,整個對他從超期待到冷一半 12/23 08:54
oopsmamamiya: 這篇是過度捧嗎? 很擔心這麼看好是為了賣相 12/23 09:37
maxspeed150: 選秀時就有說可能是power比較好的Jon Jay啦 12/23 09:49
maxspeed150: 這篇還不到過度捧 至少一般鄉民版球探報告都差不多 12/23 09:51
maxspeed150: 這樣 12/23 09:51
JohnLackey: 蠻喜歡benintendi 不過他好像沒上場空間了 12/23 09:54
try107799: 推 12/23 12:33
betadu: Kotsay 不差了 是可以打到15發,ops110的有手套外野 12/23 19:31
alex710707: Mark Kotsay生涯才三個球季OPS+110以上,同時拿 12/23 19:50
alex710707: Kotsay,M. Betts跟Ellsbury來比較,Kotsay跟他們根本不 12/23 19:50
alex710707: 同等級,Benintendi是有可能只變成Kotsay這Level,但天 12/23 19:51
alex710707: 花板絕不是Kotsay 12/23 19:51
matsuhuang: 覺得比較像腳程更快的NIXON 12/23 20:21
matsuhuang: 抱歉收回 這樣太強了 12/23 20:23
nickyang: 模板不是天花板。Ellsbury跟Kotsay怎樣不同級? 12/24 03:15
nickyang: 長成Kotsay很不錯了,可以在大聯盟先發6個球季的新秀已 12/24 03:16
nickyang: 經非常成功 12/24 03:16
nickyang: Margot本來就是個四號外野,可能有兩三個先發不錯的球季 12/24 03:17
nickyang: ,要在大聯盟每天先發是很了不起的 12/24 03:17
cyscys: Speier是不是低估了Benin 12/24 04:52
nickyang: 去看看Betts跟Kotsay在高階打怎樣先 12/24 06:12
nickyang: 看完再想想在A打3/4/5的Benin拿他們當模板有沒有道理 12/24 06:14
matsuhuang: Kotsay很棒,跟Betts比我還不敢說,不過肯定和Ells不 12/24 08:29
matsuhuang: 是ㄧ個等級 12/24 08:29
matsuhuang: 洋基再凱也不會給Kotsayㄧ年2000up的大約 12/24 08:30
matsuhuang: 不過如果只比power這三人的確是同等級。。 12/24 08:46
alex710707: M. Betts>J. Ellsbury>M. Kotsay 12/24 08:49
nickyang: 差了十年比價錢是什麼概念啊?2004年洋基也不會給David 12/24 08:50
nickyang: Price 30M 12/24 08:50
alex710707: M. Margot是4th OF,是指天花板,模板還地板? 12/24 08:52
alex710707: 4th OF,怎能當金寶交易案主菜 12/24 08:53
nickyang: 你是真的知道Kotsay是誰還是看BR在說故事? 12/24 09:01
nickyang: Kotsay在背傷失去運動能力之前是聯盟前五名的CF 12/24 09:01
nickyang: Ells差不多也是,兩個人可以給你115左右wRC+,plus的CF 12/24 09:02
nickyang: 防守。打擊的型態也很像,拿來相比非常合理 12/24 09:02
nickyang: Magort的打擊跟這兩人不能比,在巔峰期可以期待有幾個高 12/24 09:03
nickyang: 過平均的成績,如果他運動能力退化大概就沒了 12/24 09:03
nickyang: 你好像搞不清楚像Magort這樣的球員有多少價值?可以守中 12/24 09:04
nickyang: 外野,有幾個球季能摸得到平均,大概前六年就能有20左右 12/24 09:05
nickyang: 的WAR,拿來當換金寶的主菜很奇怪嗎? 12/24 09:05
nickyang: Betts的power如果沒有長出來大概也是跟Ells/Kotsay差不 12/24 09:07
nickyang: 多 12/24 09:07
nickyang: 可以跟他們差不多已經是聯盟前幾名的球員了 12/24 09:07
alex710707: 6年 WAR 20的球員是4th OF? 12/24 09:07
nickyang: 他現在的sure thing就只有防守,說他是4th OF沒什麼奇怪 12/24 09:10
nickyang: 所有事情都往對的那面走他才會be more than 4th 12/24 09:10
LucasDuda: Lagares健康打六年大概也有20WAR (逃~ 12/24 09:11
alex710707: 照這樣講,應該說Margot"地板是4th OF,而不是模板是 12/24 09:12
alex710707: 4th OF" 不是嗎? 12/24 09:12
nickyang: Margot的棒子問題太大,等他在3A還可以撐住他的BA再來說 12/24 09:14
nickyang: 地板比較靠譜。 12/24 09:14
nickyang: 現在比起去年要說他地板是4th已經可靠一點了,但是他的 12/24 09:15
nickyang: power大概是不用想了,沒有power的OF不管防守再好,不能 12/24 09:16
alex710707: 我不清楚Kotsay過去的背景,低估了他沒錯,不過關於 12/24 09:16
nickyang: 打個兩成七兩成八的想當4th也當不了幾年 12/24 09:16
alex710707: M. Betts跟Margot的部分,我認同 12/24 09:16
alex710707: 不 12/24 09:16
alex710707: 現在的Betts比Kotsay, Ellsbury好多了,21歲上MLB, 12/24 09:19
alex710707: 22歲第一個完整球季就繳6 WAR 12/24 09:20
alex710707: Of不是只看Power吧? 特別是CF,照這樣講,Ellsbury不就 12/24 09:22
alex710707: 也是4th OF? 他也沒Power 12/24 09:22
alex710707: 各家對Margot 的評價都是average regular,包含比較不 12/24 09:28
alex710707: 會椪風的BP,說Margot地板4th OF我認同,在MLB版大放 12/24 09:28
alex710707: 厥詞說他只是個4th OF,被笑不能怪人 12/24 09:28
nickyang: 誰說CF只看power了? 12/24 09:47
nickyang: 你去統計看看各家包含不會碰風的BP對2A評價是regular的 12/24 09:48
nickyang: 最後幾個人真的成了regular超過六年 12/24 09:48
nickyang: 翻了一下BP,"comes with extreme risk"是可以無視的嗎 12/24 10:08
alex710707: Potential: High 6 first-division player, Realistic 12/24 10:24
alex710707: Role: 5; average major leaguer, Risk Factor: High 12/24 10:24
alex710707: risk 12/24 10:25
alex710707: 沒超過6年就是4th OF? 12/24 10:25
alex710707: Michael Bourn沒砲瓦 也打不到兩成七,當了好幾年 12/24 10:32
alex710707: Regular 12/24 10:32
nickyang: 誰又說沒超過六年就是4th OF了? 12/24 10:44
alex710707: 還有TOP 5 CF的Ellsbury打了8年(不算第一年)26 WAR 12/24 10:44
alex710707: (有兩年DL),為何預估打6年能有20 WAR的Margot就是 12/24 10:44
nickyang: 你要討論,回文之前先想一下別人到底在說什麼好嗎? 12/24 10:44
alex710707: 4th OF? 8年26WAR跟6年20 WAR的差距是All Star到 12/24 10:44
alex710707: 4th OF的落差? 12/24 10:44
nickyang: Michael Bourn前幾年每年位置都被挑戰,到2011才噴發 12/24 10:45
nickyang: 你要找例子佐證先去了解到底你舉的例子是怎麼回事好嗎 12/24 10:45
nickyang: 一直看BR說故事是要怎麼討論下去? 12/24 10:46
nickyang: Ells的WAR多少是防守來的多少是棒子來的看一下好嗎 12/24 10:47
nickyang: 前幾年Bourn就是個典型防守好但是打個90左右的CF 12/24 10:51
nickyang: 那時候太色人一團亂就不說了,即使如此也一天到晚要換掉 12/24 10:51
nickyang: 他。後來他打個105左右就拿到那張四年約,所以這不是很 12/24 10:52
nickyang: 明白嗎?MM的棒子決定他是值得別人給他四年約的還是一天 12/24 10:53
nickyang: 到晚要被換掉的,他真打個90大概有兩三年的regular可以 12/24 10:53
nickyang: 打,超過100大概值得FA後一張長約,他現在的評價像是誰 12/24 10:54
nickyang: 敢說他有多大機會打超過100的樣子嗎? 12/24 10:54
nickyang: 教士搞定他們辦公室的問題的話大概知道自己要重建個三四 12/24 10:55
nickyang: 年至少,MM如果打個90要在教士當個CF機會很高,啊那些要 12/24 10:56
nickyang: 拼的球隊會想找這樣的球員來當regular嗎? 12/24 10:56
nickyang: 紅襪自己一個JBJ就一天到晚要賣要賣的,JBJ還已經打到ML 12/24 10:57
nickyang: 了,現在在那邊講MM可以regular不知道是哪招 12/24 10:57
alex710707: 照這樣講評估球員用oWAR就好,何必有WAR? 12/24 12:04
nickyang: 你的世界都是全有全無的話我不知道要怎麼解釋 12/24 12:30
maxspeed150: 1.Margot有all-star的talent 而現在看起來他也至少有 12/24 13:47
maxspeed150: 4th OF的地板 兩者的差異在打擊方面的成長 但是不管 12/24 13:47
maxspeed150: 怎麼說期待Margot有Betts或Benin的power是不可能的 12/24 13:48
maxspeed150: 所以他最好最好就是Michael Bourn #2 12/24 13:48
maxspeed150: 2.能打的CF比能守的CF值錢 守備強如Lagares位置都抖 12/24 13:49
maxspeed150: 抖了 Pillar如果遇到更會打而且又能守CF的也會讓位 12/24 13:50
maxspeed150: (能守=能給他站) 12/24 13:50
maxspeed150: 所以 "Margot = 4th OF"的這個陳述如果是在描述現況 12/24 13:51
maxspeed150: 的話倒是沒什麼不對 但問題就在Padres會選他當主菜 12/24 13:51
maxspeed150: 絕對不是期待他只當4th OF 而是想養成regular 12/24 13:52
alex710707: 他的Power大概是平均水準,你不能因為他今年HR少 12/24 15:15
alex710707: 就斷定他沒砲瓦,20歲打AA算很年輕了,Betts兩年多前 12/24 15:15
alex710707: 的Power評價還算below average呢 12/24 15:15
alex710707: 4th OF該怎麼定義,2nd division regular跟4th OF 12/24 15:17
alex710707: 是否有分別? 12/24 15:17
carrhung: 每次看到兩位對話都可以學到一些觀念XD 12/24 20:02
IanMason: 路過看兩位吵,都覺得有吵再點上.重點是MM還太嫩 12/25 02:44
IanMason: 現在不管怎麼吵都有理囉! 12/25 02:44
alex710707: 不算嫩了,都打到AA了,版友覺得他嫩,打擊不好,沒砲瓦 12/25 06:08
alex710707: 大概是看今年在A+跟AA三圍吧?.740的OPS不算好,但也不 12/25 06:09
alex710707: 差,更何況新秀在MILB層級的數據本來就是參考用的,20歲 12/25 06:09
alex710707: 的新秀屌毛才長齊,更上一個層級打更Polished,球威更猛 12/25 06:09
alex710707: 的投手遇到問題很正常,A升A+是一個重要關卡,A+到AA是 12/25 06:10
alex710707: 另一個,要看這種問題是否嚴重不是單純看三圍而已,應該 12/25 06:10
alex710707: 要去考慮各項Tool如何,手眼協調性,選球眼,運動能力, 12/25 06:10
alex710707: Raw Power等,再從這些Tool去看他是否能把這些能力轉化 12/25 06:11
alex710707: 到棒球上(適應力),考量新秀的未來性,年紀,Tool跟適應 12/25 06:11
alex710707: 力都是重要考量,他的Tool就不講了,年紀跟適應力方面, 12/25 06:11
alex710707: 3年從17歲RK一路打到AA,算很棒了,至於以他的素質在AA 12/25 06:11
alex710707: 得普普未來是否能Break through或是就此卡關?這就要看 12/25 06:12
alex710707: 球探報告,雖我沒看過他季中以後的報告,但基本上應該是 12/25 06:12
alex710707: 樂觀的,一來如同上述他"剛滿"21歲,二來百大新秀的排名 12/25 06:12
alex710707: 他開季大概是60~90名左右,季中的排名升到20~30名左右, 12/25 06:12
alex710707: 這些排名都是依據球探報告的,如果今年出現大問題,為 12/25 06:12
alex710707: 何不降反升呢? 20歲打AA在百大20~30名算很好的新秀, 12/25 06:13
alex710707: 地板: 4th OF,預期: 1st division Regular應該是合 12/25 06:13
alex710707: 理的預期 12/25 06:14
alex710707: 某專業人士在MLB版說Margot只能換後段輪值,還嗆別人有 12/25 06:17
alex710707: 沒有看過他在Greenville打球根本出來丟臉的 12/25 06:17
BusterPosey: φ(._. )> 12/25 08:41
nickyang: 要你學會對事不對人大概是不可能的,但是Margot+Guerra 12/25 09:40
nickyang: 跟其他你本人也堅持不是雜魚的去換頂級CL,那麼他講的MM 12/25 09:41
nickyang: 換後段輪值並沒錯呀 12/25 09:41
nickyang: 至於講一大堆Magort怎樣,為什麼不去翻翻你認為不如Ells 12/25 09:44
nickyang: 的Kotsay在minor的數字呢? 12/25 09:44
nickyang: 如果在2A打3/4/5的Kotsay如此不堪,那.27/.32/.42的MM 12/25 09:46
nickyang: 可以一片光明又是什麼理由呢?怎麼看下來都只是你對他太 12/25 09:46
nickyang: 有愛而已 12/25 09:46
alex710707: 一般認為Elite CL價值等同3號不是嗎? 怎會是後段? 12/25 11:35
alex710707: 更何況近期GM對CL的價值評估似乎是提高了,即使 12/25 11:35
alex710707: Margot+Guerra換CL 二換一,但除非開始皺掉的新秀, 12/25 11:35
alex710707: 否則Top 30左右的新秀單換一個後段輪值我印象中是 12/25 11:35
alex710707: 沒有 12/25 11:36
alex710707: Kotsay的部分我認同啊,前面推文就承認我並不了解這 12/25 11:36
alex710707: 老球員過去的背景,承認低估了他 12/25 11:36
alex710707: 小聯盟三圍本來就參考用的不是嗎? 你斷言Margot 12/25 11:36
alex710707: PS+90的依據在哪? 單純因為他今年三圍? 12/25 11:36
nickyang: Elite CL價值是3號,然後Margot單換換不到啊-_-到底有沒 12/25 11:53
nickyang: 沒有在看別人寫什麼啊?誰又斷言MM打90了? 12/25 11:53
nickyang: MM就是加了一堆你自己認為很威的新秀才換得到等同三號的 12/25 11:54
nickyang: CL,啊說MM單換後段有很突兀嗎? 12/25 11:54
alex710707: 要這樣挑著看,我無話可說 12/25 12:00
nickyang: 挑著看什麼?你要硬把我沒說過的話塞過來然後怪我不回應 12/25 12:04
nickyang: 跟你這貨認真真的浪費生命 12/25 12:44
taker627: XDD 12/25 12:45
alex710707: 你也不過是拿只小聯盟數據來評估的傢伙 12/25 12:48
alex710707: 只拿 12/25 12:49
nickyang: 講得好像自己除了數據還懂得什麼一樣XD 12/25 14:23
nickyang: 那篇除了你最愛的百大排名之外什麼數據都沒有啊BP專家哥 12/25 14:24
alex710707: "拿小聯盟數據預估大聯盟表現不可靠"這不是基本常識 12/25 14:51
alex710707: 跟你看法不一就是錯的?一再拿這種不可靠的方法來說嘴 12/25 14:51
alex710707: 是? 12/25 14:52
alex710707: 互酸攻擊已失去討論本意,過去我在這跟其他版友吵干擾 12/25 14:52
alex710707: 到別人,我不再讓版主難做人,你要堅持己見是你的自由, 12/25 14:52
alex710707: 我不再回覆 12/25 14:52
nickyang: 大哥,你不要拿你寫信問我時我跟你講的東西跑來強調好嗎 12/25 14:53
alex710707: 更正第一行 這不是基本常識? 12/25 14:54
nickyang: 到底是誰拿小聯盟數據來預測啊?腦補惱羞還有什麼賴皮招 12/25 14:55
nickyang: 呀? 12/25 14:55
pain0: 斷章取義好猛 12/27 16:37