Just received my Nuka Dark Rum in the mail today. Beyond disappointed.
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What bothers me the most is they have a community that is willing to pay for premium collectibles, but for some reason they just can't follow through and are constantly trying to cut corners for money. Like if people will pay 80 bucks for what they think is a dark glass bottle but for some reason that isn't profitable enough, charge 100, they will probably pay that too and no one will be grumpy.
Just like the canvas bag fiasco.
I would like to say though, the pip-boy was top notch. And even when I broke a few of the flimsier pieces, The Wand Company sent me replacements from the UK to the US for free.
Can confirm, I'm extremely satisfied with mine
I agree, Seeing the tons of crappy gimmies Bethesda released, I was even concerned buying it on sale.
However, being a rediculously big fan of the PipBoy 2000, and Fallout itself, I couldn't resist. And I'm glad I didn't.
My only disappointment is the dark radio tubes. Those needs lights, yo.
For real. Especially after seeing how phenominal this guy's Pip-Boy looks after he modded it. Lights and a working bluetooth speaker.
https://youtu.be/Ku6jLOif42g
:O that is fantastic!
Yeah, I was expecting a quick video but ended up watching all 40 minutes because it was cool to see him go through the whole process.
we must have gotten different pip boys... I was leaning at the PA edition of the game, but the pip boy quality made me reconsider.. just not worth the $$ I didn’t think. Hell, I even tried to sell it a year or so back. Lol
Then I was gonna buy the RUM!! Until I seen the cost. “Out of their god dam minds!” Is the first thing that popped into my mind... so I didn’t get any of that.
The bugs haven’t really cause me much consternation, other than the crashes, those have boned me a few times... but I have long learned my lesson that Bethsoft isn’t that good at making quality collectibles!
I think they meant the pip boy that was designed after the one in Fallout 76, not that plastic Fisher Price toy that was in Fallout 4's collectors edition
I think you did. There was the Pip-Boy that came with the FO4 collectors’ edition, and another one that was manufactured by a different company and sold for $150 on thinkgeek and Bethesda store and probably a couple other retailers as a build-your-own kit, with a display and all that. The former was a huge disappointment to almost everyone; the latter actually did look quite cool, and I personally waffled between it and the PA edition, settling on PA (not a bad choice imho, the helmet is still a good display piece, and I’m no modder).
I'm not defending the product - just curious where the expectations came from as materials aren't mentioned anywhere on the product site. If anything the pictures match up exactly to what was dispatched.
The canvas bag was a different matter entirely as the actual item in the box was entirely different to that advertised.
I think the confusion really started because of the lack of information, the price mark itself is a big hint at that; I get it if there was a lot of testing that went into the flavor to get the “nuka taste” but I’m certain they know every one of us wasn’t paying that price to drink some rum. We all wanted a top notch glass nuka bottle for cosplay/display purposes and the price advertised is what I and many think is a reasonable price for s custom bottle of that caliber with a plus of having some “nuka dark rum”. Instead we got a regular bottle and a plastic molding which everyone of us could’ve gone to Etsy and paid several dollars for a 3D print. Furthermore I think they intended on the bottle being glass until they ran into their “packaging issue” and postponed the release; obviously this isn’t going to be admitted by them but I can’t for the life of me think what else could’ve justified a whole month push back. They also said in the same email the product wasn’t to “fallout standards”... I think they hit the nail right on the head based on the bar Bethesda has set. Disappointed
Yeah, this is living exactly up to fallout/bethesda standards, esp as of late.
CANT WAIT FOR STARFIELD LOL /s
Yeah, the pictures looked like plastic. However, the website says "Nuka Dark Rum shares the same look as the other bottles of Nuka-Cola but a black color and a simplistic label." Although nothing is mentioned of materials, I'd say it's safe to assume from that that you'd be getting an actual Nuka Cola bottle since they mention that it comes in the same bottle on the actual product website.
Thing is, it does 'look' like a Nuka Cola bottle...
The bottle is the main thing people wanted because it’s so iconic. There are legit bottle collectors, people who collect special/unique bottles who wanted this and they’ll be very disappointed. Most people would say this wasn’t worth the price.
This exactly. I didn't preorder it specifically because I didn't see that it was an actual Nuka Cola bottle and the photos all looked like it was plastic. No one ever said the actual bottle would be shaped like the Nuka Cola bottle, so why would I take the chance on it?
Especially knowing how much more expensive custom making those bottles probably would've cost. $80 is what I'd expect for a regular high-quality limited run bottle of liquor, before any extra manufacturing costs.
Theres plenty of companies out there producing limited run actual high quality liquor with complicated unique / limited run bottles for less though.
It's one of those cases where, you could have easily just made the glass bottles especially for the price, but they didn't. To be really cynical none of the pictures show a plastic seam down the side where the two halves click together, its a seamless one piece bottle.
The reason is, always has been, and always will be, shareholders and millionaire executives. They understand no other mode of operation. The voice in their collective brain is "anything less than infinite growth is failure," as if they'd wake up homeless one day or something. I have met with, interacted with, worked for and listened to some of the people who occupy this strata, and I can tell you in all seriousness, it is a kind of insanity.
That is why so many earnest young people with idealistic ideas about what they were taught about how markets and businesses supposedly work just cannot reconcile the reality, and keep asking, "why? why can I not make sense of this?"
Because it makes no sense.
Bethesda does not occupy that space. It is always the controlling entity, the parent group, the owning media combine or what have you. Those top-level positions are run by one mandate: make more money than you did yesterday.
Don't believe me?
https://www.zenimax.com/about
Note the Board of Directors.
Oh, and if you didn't read all the words at the top, it's where Zeni lists its accomplishments. This page is aimed at potential investors, you understand. Here's a key point:
" Bethesda also pioneered open world role-playing games, and was the first studio to offer downloadable content for players following a game’s release—now a main source of revenue for publishers."
Okay, first of all, every corporation and media conglomerate has the goal to "make more money than you did yesterday". That's literally their purpose. You shouldn't need to see the board of directors to know that.
And are you trying to make a point about Robert Trump being on the board? Because he's the biggest name I see there aside from Jerry Bruckheimer. Is that supposed to be some sort of scare tactic by associating Zenimax with the Trump name? Because he's just one guy on a board.
Edit: it looks like Trump doesn't even hold a majority stake in the company. That seems to belong to Providence Equity Partners
Correct. Do you? And I should really be clear - it's the growth that's supposed to rise year over year. You would know this if you had any corporate experience, or familiarity with their dialect. Last year saw a 16% rise in revenues, but stocks soar as we announce we expect a 22% rise in revenues! Do you understand? Not "every year we make X% more than last year." It's "every year we must make X+1% more than last year." Infinite growth. It is impossible, unsustainable, and the fiction that drives the stock market.
You then decide that I "must" be making a "point" about Trump, and then you spend two paragraphs going on about Trump and clearly you have missed the entire point. Hint: I don't GAF about Trump. The point is all of them as a whole and what the history of their business practices are.
But if you feel the need to defend the poor billionaires against any hint of criticism by some peasant, carry on. There's always an apologist who feels like he's on "their team."
Do I what? Always have the goal to make more money? I'm not a corporation, no. I'm just a random dude taking issue with how you're making your points.
Be more condescending. Yes, I know how businesses work. I wasn't the one trying to explain how the point of a corporation is to make more money.
I don't. I'm simply saying that you left your "point" extremely open to interpretation. If you meant what you're saying now, you should have said that in your original post. But you didn't. You left people to draw their own conclusions with no help, which is what led me to believe you were talking about Trump. Maybe stop being so vague when you're making "points"?
Also, good job misrepresenting me. Because I recognize that one man on an entire board of directors probably doesn't make all the decisions, I'm an apologist and think a Trump is "on '[my] team'"? That makes literally no sense. How the fuck does actually acknowledging that one person doesn't make all the decisions make me an "apologist" that defends "poor billionaires"?
Edit: oh, you quote me as saying you "'must' be making some sort of 'point'." Where did I say that you "must" be making a point about Trump? Because I simply asked if you were, not asserting that. But I suppose you can read into it how you want to and put words into my mouth. That's cool lol
So many words. So little said. And still not a single actual point addressed. Bye, kid.
Because they correctly view these folks as rubes to make a ton of money from. These folks are nothing more than people to exploit.
Is "people deserve to be tricked out of their money unless they can spot every piece of deceptive advertising/corporate scam by unscrupulous businesses" really the hill you want to die on? Shady practices are okay because only suckers suffer?
Just because I wouldn't trust Bethesda with my money at this point - and have never been into any of their brands enough to buy collectibles from them - doesn't mean I think anyone, even the most deluded Todd Howard stan, deserved to pay $80 of their money for a premium collectible that turned out to be cheap trash. I think clear and truthful advertising, and delivery on what was promised to the consumer, is not just a seller's responsibility, but kind of, you know...integral to the economy.
Even if you argue that people should have been able to tell from the pictures what the product was, as some people have been doing, the fact that the advertisement didn't make it clear in the copy (and, in fact, the copy suggested that the casing was the actual bottle, rather than the casing and the bottle being two separate items) means that Bethesda's marketing team are either terrible at their jobs or deliberate shysters. Either way, it should not be on consumers to try and decipher what kind of a product a company is selling based on insufficient and misleading evidence; it should be made transparent in the advertising of the product. The fact that people didn't know what they were actually buying is literal evidence that, at BEST, Bethesda's marketing team is bad at their jobs - not that people are idiots for being unable to tell.
I never said that. I'm making a greater comment about how entire industries now view and treat traditionally loyal followers.
Except as we've seen here, operating in good faith is not required for profits. Operating in bad faith may even be better for profits, it's merely a matter of math.
I'd suggest that this is evidence that the sociopath MBAs in marketing are doing an amazing job in marketing. And they're amazing at generating revenue while dumping cheap, not as advertised shit.
The reality is that only a small minority of consumers affected will file complaints, or file small claims suits. It's more profitable.
I don't think this is the way things should work, but that is irrelevant.
My opinion is that video game companies fundamentally don’t understand how to create or deliver physical goods (some don’t understand how to even create or deliver video games but we don’t have to go down that road for this conversation).
Valve is notorious for this as well; there are people waiting for physical goods from 2 years ago for Dota 2. As in, people even paid again this year to get a physical product that they are still missing last year’s version of.
What Dota 2 physical goods are people still waiting for? I need to know so that I can read more about it and laugh at.
Is it about the tI6 aegis?
Aegis and Baby Roshan’s, yes.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3144781
Not that this helps you now, but I designed a food safe 3d printable version so people can make there own bottles and save the 80 bucks.
You’re a saint
Way too low poly, i can see the squares in the print.
...sandpaper?
You ever try to sand plastic you smartass?
Protip, its very hard, as the low melting point means that if you go too fast you ruin the surface and turn it into a stringly scratched white mess and if you go slow its softness means you clog up the paper and do shit all except carve in ugly white lines into it
Its a much more time consuming and technically hard process than just sanding wood or hard materials, thats why modelers cover 3d prints in filler first.
Hopefully you can scrap it and make some shotgun shells out of it at least
I cancelled my order right after i saw that video of the bottling process, greatly disappointed as the images seem to make the bottle look like glass and it has no mention of it just being a normal bottle with a plastic cover, if it cost half the price it does now i wouldn't be bothered about it but for the price it actually costs plus shipping I'd expect a full glass bottle not cheep plastic.
This can't be happening... how can Bethesda sink so low
Because when a company builds up a loyal customer base they can sell poop and still know they will sell a literal shit-ton ( a shit-ton is a pile of shit that weighs 2000 pounds at peak moistness) of it
I would be more upset at the bottling company than bethesda, at least in this instance. Bethesda just let them use the license/trademark for Nuka Cola. It was the bottling company that made the shit product Edit: spelling
You're acting like Bethesda had zero say in any of this. That would be a blatant neglect of trademark, Bethesda 100% knew and gave the okay on this.
Let me play you a song on the world's smallest violin
Yes please :[
How’s it taste?
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It is pretty shitty so at least you set the bar low
Not great. Disappointed to say the least. Has some coconut flavoring. Pretty shitty rum imo.
Maybe they weren't able to source enough glass to make nice bottles 🙄
Only a few Youtubers got such a nice bottle. /s
They were able to but then the workshops got nerfed.
How much was it? Pic?
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Jesus. Bethesda (the company) seems hell bent on destroying the work of Bethesda (the game studio).
Let's make the community expect everything to be toxic!
product was actually sold and produced by a different company, Beth only sold them rights to make the actual item.
Oh, same for the PipBoy 2000 from Wand Company.
But, at the same time, they don't seem to care out their brand image or quality, and the ratio of trash to treasure is really amazingly bad.
Yep. Kinda nervous about the Plasma Rifle I ordered, since it's made by the same company that made the Power Armor helmets. The Pip-Boy was pretty cool though, the Wand Company seems to have their shit together at least.
That doesn't change anything. Yes there is wrong in the company that made the product but don't you think Bethesda should have checked if it was satisfactory to their fans?
So... Um.... Hows the rum?...
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"Dark" isnt the type of rum it is anyway, I hate people who cant even bring up the wiki for two minutes, its "Nuka Dark" like After Dark, it's an adult drink you can enjoy after the kids are in bed.
I wiki'd and didn't find any of the shit you just said
I'm a bartender, and a Fallout enthusiast, so here's my take:
Rum comes in a lot of different varieties, and it's a spirit distilled from sugarcane. White rum (like Bacardi Silver), spiced rum (like your basic Captain Morgan, Admiral Nelson's, Sailor Jerry's, naval rank-name) and dark rum (Meyer's, Gosling's) are the most common types of rum in bars, though many bars (especially those with a focus on rum) may have a wider variety.
So in Fallout 4, the first appearance of Nuka-Cola Dark, it never stated what kind of spirit, if any, that Nuka Cola Dark is. I kept an ear open, strictly out of professional interest, but all the game officially states is that it's pretty alcoholic. I assumed it was Nuka-Cola with grain alcohol added in, but nobody ever says that it's rum.
When Bethesda announced this product, that's the first time that a spirit was assigned to Dark, and because it's rum, and it's named Dark, it only makes sense to assume it would be dark rum, but this was never said anywhere. The description in the Nuka World bottling plant/World of Refreshment implies that the dark in the name just means that it's for after dark. It's never stated to actually be dark rum.
The price tag is highway robbery for what you get: a plastic bottle and a bottle of rum? I'd pay about $50 for it reasonably. I don't hate the bottle, at all. I'd put it somewhere in my gaming nook, I have tons and tons of merch on display from various games, but it doesn't seem worth it for the cost. That said, it also doesn't seem like Bethesda was intentionally deceptive about the actual liquor, like some are claiming. Just vague.
The only reason I and others skewed toward rum assumptions in FO4 is the good old Happy Hour rum-and-Coke. It's about the only spirit I run across being mixed with cola (there are outliers, but they are, by their very nature as outliers, not the norm, or even common variants).
Agree the name comes from "after dark", as the description pretty heavily implies it's for the end of the workday, an evening out, cocktail party fare, etc.
How much did it cost? That’s pretty ridiculous that it’s a plastic cover and not a bottle.
It’s around $100 I believe. I apologize if I’m off/incorrect!
Yeah that’s way too expensive. I was thinking like $50 is a bit much but not bad considering it’s liquor
Hell, $80 will get you some good scotch or tequila.
Right. I spent $80 on some patron for a chick back in high school. Best $80 spent lol
Like... why is it so oversized?
To fit the glass bottle inside.
Would've been more sensible to include a glass bottle of the correct size and shape next to the bottle of rum.
Why are *all* of the licensed Nuka bottles oversized? It's an ongoing peeve of mine. Scaled to the bottle cap, those should be more like the old 6.5- or 10-oz. Coca-Cola contour bottles that inspired Nuka-Cola in the first place (up until Coke forced Bethesda to change bottle designs), not our current ~16-oz. standard.
But yeah -- I'd've paid about that asking price for a four-pack of 10-oz. black-screen-printed clear glass bottles of pre-mixed carbonated rum-and-Coke. The drastic oversize of this one irks me even more, given the accurate product we *could* have gotten...
This subreddit is so weird man.
You people need to have higher standards and stop making excuses for a billion dollar company.
I saw a plastic Nuka Cola Quantum lamp at Gamestop. That was 25$, but 80$ for a piece of plastic and a regular bottle of rum is ridiculous.
I still have the Nuka Cola Quantum bottle from that Jones soda partnership before Fallout 4 as well, its just a re-skinned label of the normal Jones soda bottles but was only 4$
I feel bad for OP. I fought with myself to not buy two bottle. I'm a die hard fan as well and when I heard about what these bottles where actually going to be and look like I was kinda relieved that I didn't buy them. Hopefully the rums still good?
I promised myself I would be more critical of Fallout games after 4, of course I wasn't able to and bought fo76 pretty easily.
Now on the other hand I doubt I'll buy another product from them without watching hours of gameplay footage even if it'll ruin some of the experience.
So how was the rum?
Oh right you paid 80$ just for the bottle.
ouch, yea I expected at least glass. Plastic usually implies cheap cheap quality all around when it comes to alcohol stores.
To be fair - I would definitely pay $80 for a nice, solid glass Nuka-Cola bottle.
And it would probably cost more than $80 because it would have to be custom made.
Custom specialty limited edition bottles of alcohol actually sell for less and they are made of glass. This is a clear rip off. There are some much more expensive versions but they tend to come with lots of extra stuff. They are of course all made with glass or stainless steel.
Are the bottles you talk about but provide no links to licensed products? Licensing is a lot of money, and since the Nuka Dark is licensed, they likely had to make it look exactly like it does in-game. The licensing plus the rum itself plus a custom-made glass bottle made to exact specifications would cost more than $80.
Is licensing that expensive?
Look at this: https://www.budgetbottle.com/sku11394_CRYSTAL-HEAD-VODKA-AURORA-750ML?gclid=Cj0KCQiAjZLhBRCAARIsAFHWpbG9kEM2TnTVxfHB4Lk2naTbIiyIC_LQ4ceWt9LdcXsAGMCC6I6z7xEaAl5oEALw_wcB
I would say that is way harder to make than that piece of plastic. It costs $50. Also I work in graphic design. It is not hard at all to make designs that look exactly like they do in game. It could be done easily with a 3D printer.
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I started work on making plastic nuka cola bottles from FO4. The rocket design but with normal 2 liter type screw on tops. I tried finding bulk red ones but had no luck months ago.
Project got shelved for the time being. They won't be glass but if I can do it they'll look pretty cool. and they will be just normal plastic bottles you can wash and reuse.
Send it back and demand your money back.
Wasn't it obvious that it was a plastic bottle though? I could tell from the picture and I had that understanding when I made my order. I have seen others upset about this as well and I find this confusing. Did you believe that you were going to receive a glass bottle?
Also, if I am understanding the company correctly, I believe that Silver Screen Bottling licensed the rights from Bethesda so your money is going to Silver Screen, not Bethesda. If you want to be upset at a company over this, be upset at Silver Screen because they designed and sold the product.
It's not really even a plastic bottle, though. It's a plastic cover for a glass bottle. I feel like there's a difference.
A good point to raise.
I've tried to tell others this on and off Reddit, some people acting like they arent of drinking age over alcohol that's probably got a unique taste, if not oh well, its rum, you can mix it with almost anything.
I figured it would be plastic and thought it was for the best, I'd rather have it be plastic for collectibility sake so it wont get broken. And I can collect the bottle with it's nice label.
You can get a look like that from steel.
https://allthingsetching.com/product/practical-groomsmen-gifts-personalized-hip-flask/
For $80 I would expect higher quality material than plastic.
Oooooof. That's... bad. Really bad.
What's the problem? The pictures of the product clearly shows it's plastic so why are you surprised it's plastic
See, to me it looks like black frosted glass. I think my mind observed it this way after seeing its price tag and thinking surely they wouldn't be charging this much for plastic.
It's the vault boy headlamp of rums.
Send it to to me if you don't want it.
The pictures made it pretty clear that it was a plastic bottle, I don't really get all the anger over it.
Let's be honest, you know there's no $80 sold anywhere that comes in a plastic bottle. Maybe you don't drink alcohol, which is fine, but usually the worst and cheapest stuff comes in plastic.
Any adult that buys alcohol would never have the expectations that their $80 alcohol would come in a plastic bottle.
At best this product is misleading, at worst it's a scam. Especially considering the quality of the rum.
Welp you know the saying.
"You get what you paid for"
except you didn't get what you paid for. You overpaid for a cheap 2 cent plastic case for 80 dollars.
While I don't agree with the ethical principle of these products I do believe that people need to start lowering their expectations when it comes to video game merchandise. 99% of the time this stuff is going to be junk manufactured by a licensed 3rd party, whereby the ONLY value comes from the fact it is produced in limited quantity.
Looking at the Web site now, what you got is pretty much exactly what was advertised... Sadly...
The quality will depend ENTIRELY on the pride of the 3rd party running with the brand license. Bethesda will have zero involvement in quality testing and product design for the majority of a game's merch. They just pull in a percentage from the sales.
I think part of the problem is in their description of it where they say it's exactly like the kind of nuka bottles you have seen in the games
So I have no idea what I’m looking at in the pictures here. Some complaining about plastic instead of glass or something I guess. But the picture has two distinct bottles of Nuka Dark and I have no clue or reference for what is which. Did they ship together, was one inside the other, is one the one you ordered and the other some 3D printed fan project, what am I looking at here???
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You could have explained this a bit more clearly in the post imo
Of course nobody is going to talk about how the rum tastes
Edit: seriously, I bought this rum to drink it and keep the bottle for my collection, the plastic shell will go on a shelf, I'd rather it be PLASTIC so then I dont have to care if it falls or anything, people seem to completely disregard the fragility fins like that would have.
Edit2: for any of you who have bought it, please remember, its rum, find the nuka cola recipie and mix it.
at 35% ABV I would expect the actual rum quality to be pretty meh or worse. I don't think it's even qualified to be called rum in some countries at that % (correct me if I'm wrong lol)
The percentage means nothing on how good it tastes, Malibu is 21%, rum can be low and all the way up at 151, doesnt mean the 151 is better.
It's a 70 proof rum, its run of the mill for alcohol content.
It's to match the flavor text in the description in FO4. *But*, as I've mentioned a couple times further up, said description also indicates a pre-mixed drink in the bottle. Strongest candidate is rum-and-Coke. AKA the Cuba Libre. MATH TIME! The textbook version of this cocktail is 4 oz. of Coke, a shot of rum (1.3 to 2 oz., depending on drinking establishment, state regulations, etc.), and half a lime's worth of juice (typically less than half an ounce). That'd nicely fit in the 6.5-oz. contour bottle Black Isle homaged from Coca-Cola, and one wouldn't have to worry about the cola side of the drink going flat in a larger bottle like this one. Perfect single serving, poured over ice or just served chilled in the bottle.
If the overall drink is 35% alcohol, when the rum accounts for maybe a third of the volume, it means that the rum Nuka-Cola used was more likely an overproof rum along the lines of Bacardi 151 -- or maybe distilled even further to be something more like Everclear.
While it may be fine for you, it definitely isn't for many others. I nearly bought one myself just for the bottle shape. I'm glad now that I didn't.
I rather like it. Not the best rum I've ever had, but good. I don't know if there's batch variation. Someone upthread mentioned they could barely taste some coconut, whereas it seems pretty tropical to me and the folks I had over yesterday.
It's cola (and tropical)-flavored rum. But still missing the objective, as, in-game, it's supposed to essentially be pre-mixed rum-and-Coke.
That sounds quite unique to me, cant wait to get mine!
Wow 80$ for a cheap drink and a plastic cover. Bethesda knows how to make money and Bethesda likes plastic. Funny that they call it Rum. In my country rum must have over 35% alcohol. 35% alcohol and the caramel color is the best proof for cheap dirt alcohol. Maybe you find a craftsman for glass. Bring him the plastic cover and say you want this as glass bottle. Pretty sure he will make you one that looks awesome in your fallout shelf
This isn't Bethesda.. A third party licensed the rights to it. Silver screen bottling or whatever is the person to direct your disappointment at.
Bethesda definitely had input.
May I see your proof? Because that's not how a licensing deal works. They would have stipulations, then it's signed and 3rd party then makes the product and sells for whatever price they set unless outlined In the agreement, which it generally isn't.
You're both talking out your ass. It all depends on the contract, which none of us are privy to. Some IP owners dgaf and just want a few extra bucks. Other owners want near total control because they are protective of the long term value of their brand.
Ultimately it's Bethesda that looks bad, because it's their IP plastered on a mediocre product.
Bethesda will be able to take a look first and they have decided that something like this will be sold...
It's Beth's IP - they have the final say in approving the product, the 3rd party doesn't make a single thing unless they sign off on it.
The possibilities are one of two things happening:
1 - They proposed something, then made something entirely different and cheap to cut costs. Considering there isn't a lawsuit from Beth we're aware of, this is not what happened.
2 - Beth signed off on this product being exactly what was delivered.
Not sure why people think that when you license a brand to another company to release a product that you still blame the main company.
This is something to blame the rum manufacturer on. Bethesda and its divisions have all made some mistakes, from minor to massive, but just blame the proper portion for the proper failure.
Beth picks the company
This was what I was thinking. Silver Screen Bottling Co is the one who messed this up. But I guess it's easier for people to blame Bethesda to get them clicks here lately.
There is rum inside my dude. A unique blend at it too.. there is a price to pay for that. This is more than the bottling, which is also custom, albeit not what you expected.
Sorry you got what you bought, man it is clear from the bottling video what you bought. I don't know what you are complaining about in terms of the product itself, but yes the delay is annoying.
The video didn't come out until after most, if not all, purchases were made. Granted, they could have still demanded the refund after the video went out, but my guess is most got it as a gift for someone else.
Ah, ok.
Was the rum at least tasty?
https://www.toynk.com/products/fallout-4-nuka-cola-quantum-soda-by-jones-soda-12oz-berry-flavored-drink?CATARGETID=120136680000068427&CADevice=c&msclkid=75eea5103c041397c25af9326b7078b6
Not sure what people expected.
I really wanted to buy this when I saw it as I love rum and figured the bottle would be cool, but I couldn’t justify it myself (even though when I thought it was glass I thought it was worth it.) I mean even as a sleeve it could have been really cool looking but it’s almost as lame as the light up Quantum which I finally saw one of IRL the other day and it’s so ugly... lol
lmao so cheaply made. 80 dollars for a plastic bottle that comes scuffed out of the box
Lol it's one thing after another with Bethesda. Spent like two decades as a revered studio and now they're down there with EA as far as I'm concerned
This is a licensed product. Can't really blame Bethesda for this anymore than you can blame the UFC for the Mark Hunt action figure.
I can't seem to find the product anywhere on their storefront anymore. In fact, clicking the drinkware category button takes you to a cookbook page now. You have to Google Bethesda store drinkware to get to the proper category. Unless it was a limited time run? I'm not 100% sure on that bit.
EDIT: Found it was limited run. Still sucks for those that bought it.
This is such horseshit! They advertise it like it's a nice glass collectors bottle but it's just a shitty plastic shell anyone with a 3d printer could replicate for around less than a dollars worth of filament.
The company that made it said it was plastic but they origanally made a glass prototype but it didn't look right
I canceled my order yesterday 12/26. It obviously had not shipped because I received immediate refund.
I haven`t even received my order yet. It`s do in a few days. I wonder if i refuse the delivery ,will they send it back? More importantly will i get a refund? I defenatly don`t want that cheap looking piece of crap.
I just got mind today and not only is it flimsy and poorly made, the stickers are not even place properly, and I'm a huge fan and this will probably be the last money I ever spend in anything Bethesda
Their website doesn't make any reference to the materials, but the simple fact is there are no pictures of the interior bottle. They created a label for the bottle with a different font and everything, so they obviously wanted it be seen, but they don't show it anywhere.
At best, I'd say it is a failure in licensing and advertising. At worst, a shitty ploy to capitalize on fans and collectors.
And are you telling me that Bethesda would just sign off on any freaking thing with Fallout on it? No, they definitely had an idea what would be sold, and they obviously didn't care that it was a plastic bottle. Which is fine, but I'd argue that any Fallout customer, if presented with this decision, would say "I dunno... our fans would really prefer a glass bomb-shaped bottle" which goes to show that Bethesda doesn't understand their playerbase or doesn't care.
I seriously hope all you people going on about how you are done with Bethesda will actually stick to your guns instead just being all talk.
Okay so first off -
Bethesda licensed Nuka Dark to a company that handled the production of the bottle and booze. Bethesda was in no way related to the item you got.
NOWHERE on the advertisements did it say you'd get a glass bottle of nuka dark or anything like that. Hell you could see from the pictures that the bottle was plastic.
You are pissed off at something you got based off an expectation you had with 0 proof you'd get what you wanted. This is why you DO NOT PRE ORDER.
This is on you, dude.
But it IS heavily implied in the marketing material that it is the actual bottle in the nuka bottle shape. NOR is it ever stated in the description of the product that it is just a plastic shell. They wanted people to believe it was the bottle without outright saying it. Stop defending such shitty actions just because of the company name.
By all accounts, it's damn good rum in a unique package that stays true to the in game item.
Bethesda's buyers and supply chain is awful. I imported from China for years; it's not that hard to find a good supplier.
Sigh! F*** sake, Bethesda!
That's exactly what you can expect from that company nowadays.
They advertise their stuff, be it digital or real, as super mega premium and then deliver a turd.
And even if you really like snacking turds, it leaves you with nothing but a disappointing taste of mold in the end.
Bethesda had no insight in this it was made by a different company and the money is going to them. 2. They said themselves it was plastic and they showed it being made. The only reason they didn't make it glass was they couldn't make the bottle quite right.
God damn. The only reason I didn’t order this was because I forgot to, but I’m so glad I didn’t now. I’ve already got a nylon bag reminding me not to pay any more money for unreviewed Bethesda collectibles, but something like that would’ve done me in for good. Well, it definitely has done me in, just with less anger. I’m sorry dude.
Who at Bethesda is so dead-set on turning us against them?
From a manufacturing standpoint I see what went on here. I don't think I would have expected a glass bottle, but then again I never browsed the website to buy this product.
I would say your expecting too much if you thought the would design a whole glass bottling, and painting process for an order of let's say 100-5000 bottles.
Another thing I would say is I hate when game companies market crap like this, stay in your lane, or atleast have some forsight and give the companies you work with decent lead time.
for $100/bottle I don't think it's too much to expect a quality product.
No. you misread his point....
Limited run adds price. When things are manufactured in bulk it drastically lowers their production costs.
Glass either has a factories worth of massive machines cutting it (or whatever they do) into shape, that do not have a 3D printer like ability to just magically change the shape of bottle they cut on the whim, which are a waste to build for anything less than an ongoing production run. So that's out of the equation....
Or it's blown by a glass blower one fucking bottle at a time. A small team blowing bottles by hand would take an incredibly long time and be incredibly expensive and each bottle would come out slightly different.
To expect a limited run glass bottle to be as cheap as $80 (plus $20 postage) is fucking stupid to be honest.
It is way too much to expect glass for that price.
You're an OP both need to readjust the amount of value you place on things. Bethesda would be lucky if it actually cost them less than $80 to make each theoretical glass bottle.... The only way they'd make money back that way would me to mass produce the thing, and then you'd expect it for even cheaper.
OP was obviously paying for plastic. Nobody ripped off anybody.
Do you honestly expect the target market for this product to be knowledgeable about the limited run alcohol market? Very easy to see why most gamers would assume this was the bottle itself, especially since the website itself doesn't give any clear indication as to what you are actually getting.
Exactly. And whether or not it's reasonable/unreasonable to expect buyers to be able to intuit what Bethesda was actually selling, the fact is that Bethesda's marketing should have made it explicitly clear what people would be getting, and the widespread confusion and disappointment from this is all the evidence you need that Bethesda's marketing completely shit in the bed in that respect.
If you work in marketing and you can't even make it clear what product a consumer is going to end up with when you write ad copy/decide on product images, you might want to consider a career change.
Finally someone understands what limited run alcohols are that are one-offs.
Well the bottle is pretty much what your buying it for right.
Nah, it's really not expecting too much. A custom run of a glass bottle made in China would be about $2-$3each for 6k pieces. It would have been smaller than the big plastic bottle, but still impressive. They could have spaced those out over two runs of different flavors. This is pure laziness and greed.
The *rum wasn’t made by Bethesda, it was produced as a corporate partnership with the brewers, besides it wasn’t actually advertised as glass (I thought the glossy look in promotional material made it clear it was a plastic casting over a regular bottle honestly).
I can get being a little disappointed by it, but insulting is a bit much for a beverage container isn’t it?
The bottling video makes it entirely clear, but it's a little weird there's no link to those videos on the nukadarkrum.com website, or that it's no embedded in there. The other thing that's not on that website is any picture anywhere of a glass bottle. The only thing they show anywhere is the plastic casing. Pretty smarmy business tactic. Dunno how direct BGS' role in this whole thing was though, they never promoted it on their site and the first time I'm actually hearing about it is now that everyone is pissed off.
This is honestly the first time I've seen someone describe a product as "insulting" based on the product delivered compared with the price point. $20 rum wrapped in $2 (max) of plastic would be pretty frustrating for $80
Rum, not beer.
It's at best $20 rum. $2 plastic cover. They charged the guy $100. Pretty insulting if you ask me.
The concept is insulting because it insinuates that their fans are actually dumb enough to make a purchase like that. Except it evidently isn't an insult because their fans are dumb enough to make a purchase like that.
Did you suddenly forget all the controversy around this game? This alone would have been a disappointment but because it's just another issue piled on the much larger pile of issues it enhances the emotional sting.
It's Bethesda not being clear on what the product is. From the advertising it looks like a cool shaped glass bottle. Zero indication or description is made to notify that this is just a plastic case around a normal glass bottle.
That is the insulting part. And it's more of a sting because of everything else going on. They didn't notify about the canvas bag. they released an unfinished game. etc.
If fo76 was a finished well received and made game, if there was no controversy, and this was just it people would be more "meh, sucks."
Glass may look glossy too. And to me it seems pretty clear, that they intended to give the impression it would be glass aswell. In that sense for such deceptive practices a lot insults seem appropriate to me. Besides , those are not insults, cause they are just truthful.
The mere fact, that they decided to put their common glass bottle in that plastic container says all. Why else would you do that?
This scenario alone wouldn't be all that big of a deal. The issue I think is more due to the fact that every aspect of FO76 was complete garbage, and this is just salt on an open wound.
There are many aspects of 76 that are not garbage. There are a lot of disgruntled people who believe the entire game to be trash, but they honestly partially have their own expectations to blame. Same situation here - people expected glass even though it was fairly clear it was plastic. I’m not saying 76 was not released in an awful state, but at this point people are just fishing for things to hate on.
People believed that paying AAA prices meant getting AAA game experience. People believed that lending you company name to an oursourcer means the most stringent production values and QA. Apparently none of that is true anymore. Bethesda brand name has been ruined, purhaps it's time for them to quit game development and join up with some indian run shop that sells basement brewed "rum" and "whisky".
Sorry I expected more than a clone of FO4 with the worst co-op design in a game, if you can ever call it a design. You people always think we expected a masterpiece. Wrong. It's Bethesda. They're corporate now....I don't really expect much of anything great from them anymore. I just wanted a game that learned from its mistakes and had co-op. Just as was advertised. And couldn't even get that.
Quit strawmanning. Arguing over if its fun is completely immature because it's subjective. No one thought FO76 would be GOTY...But damn...I thought at least the bugs from FO3/4 would be gone. And that teams would work well.
Hey, I guess Bethesda's capable of learning from mistakes (PA Edition bag).
You know Bethesda doesn't make alcohol, right? The Nuka name is licensed out to the Silver Screen Bottling Company, they're the ones you should be mad at.
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Not partly. Completely. That's how licensing works.
I swear all this end of the world, economy about to crash stuff is true... look at the cashouts happening around us... look at Souljaboy... that whole thing is odd. Sorry but i don't believe that people just do stupid shit, did Nintendo pay that guy to do the shit he's doing so they could finally put the last nail in the ROM/ISO coffin?
Look at how Blizzard is cashing out on mobile while pissing off literally ALL of their fans. Micro's have been aggressive as fuck in most games, to the point the FCC is stepping in... is it just me, or is there a fucking massive cash grab happening right now?
Start stocking up on Insta-Mash and Salisbury steak! The end is extremely fucking NIGH!
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Someone buys a product for $80 and gets the cheapest thing a company can offer and you think he's an idiot?
What kills me is that they didn't even bother to make the label on the real bottle match the style of the one on the plastic cover. Didn't even use the same damn font!
Bottoms up i guess lul
Dude if you paid 100 bucks for a bottle you are basically asking to get ripped off
Dude, it wasn’t really a big secret. We discussed the thing being plastic on this sub back in September.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fo76/comments/9cv6vi/anyone_else_get_this_email_the_nuka_dark_rum/
Yeah but the advertisement should have made it clear about this.
Doesn't look bad to me. I've seen 100 Euro bottles of rum and whiskey come in a cardboard box and a bottle. This is really not that bad. The actually bottle is more practical as well. Imagine pouring out of that wonky a$s nuka shaped bottle..
The plastic cover looks nice. But should have been done in glass for that pricepoimt
I still haven't gotten my fucking 500 complementary atoms lol
Is the rum at least decent?
It's probably generic rum, just like all the alcohol that Silver Screen Bottling produces.