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MAINEiac4434
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« on: May 29, 2017, 11:41:35 PM »


Without him, I probably wouldn't be here today. - Barack Obama, 50th Vice President of the United States



As a young man, I idolized him. I wanted to be him. I studied what he said, his mannerisms. I thought, if I could be half as good, no, a quarter as good as this guy is, I'd be doing alright. - Joe Biden, 43rd President of the United States



He was exactly what the country needed at that moment in time. War abroad and unrest at home, he rose to the occasion. Even though he was a member of the other party, he's one of this country's greatest ever leaders - maybe the greatest ever. - Lisa Murkowski, 46th President of the United States



He may, in fact, be the single most consequential figure of the 20th Century. God knows what would've happened if Nixon'd won. - Bernard Sanders, Secretary General of the United Nations



He galvanized our generation, to make us live up to his promise. And my generation answered the call. I hope he'd be proud of us. I think he would be. - Hillary Rodham Clinton, 47th President of the United States



Camelot Anew:
The Presidency of Robert Francis Kennedy
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2017, 12:36:19 AM »
As the current holder of the Camelot trademark, I endorse this timeline with high hopes.
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2017, 12:42:57 AM »
This is probably the best opening i've read to a TL in my short time here. Good job! Can't wait for more
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2017, 01:14:10 AM »
Interesting you didn't butterfly the Clinton marriage.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2017, 11:22:59 AM »
I'm interested.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2017, 12:26:57 PM »
Quote from: razze on May 30, 2017, 12:42:57 AM
This is probably the best opening i've read to a TL in my short time here. Good job! Can't wait for more
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2017, 01:39:02 PM »
Interesting that Hillary Clinton is the 47th president (with possibly more by 2017).
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2017, 03:54:34 PM »
Also, I'd love to see the chronology of elections in this timeline.
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MAINEiac4434
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2017, 06:13:48 PM »
« Edited: November 05, 2017, 12:25:17 AM by Al Franken/Chris Murphy 2020 »
Part I: Los Angeles and the Aftermath

“We’re getting some extremely disturbing news here...Senator Kennedy has reportedly been shot at the Ambassador Hot--I’m sorry, the Senator is apparently unharmed, and the assailant has been pacified. Senator Kennedy has been shot AT, but he has not been wounded, thank God.”

Excerpt from the Los Angeles Times, June 5, 1968
KENNEDY UNHARMED IN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT
Los Angeles - Senator Robert F. Kennedy was attacked in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California, just moments after he had finished his speech declaring victory in the California primary.

The assailant was identified by LAPD sources as Sirhan Sirhan, a 24-year-old Arab who is reportedly opposed to American policy in Israel. Mr. Sirhan was tackled by Senator Kennedy’s bodyguards and supporters after brandishing a pistol and firing one round, which missed the Senator and struck a post to his immediate left. After bodyguards and supporters pacified Mr. Sirhan, Los Angeles Police apprehended him and took him to central booking. Mr. Sirhan is expected to be charged with attempted murder, a crime which carries a potential life sentence in California.

Senator Kennedy was transported to Central Receiving Hospital but was released after a brief examination confirmed that he was indeed uninjured. He received phone calls from President Johnson and his opponents for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, Vice President Hubert Humphrey and Senator Eugene McCarthy, as well as his brother, Massachusetts Senator Edward M. Kennedy and the likely Republican candidate former Vice President Richard Nixon. Afterwards, he returned to the Ambassador Hotel, against the wishes of his campaign managers and the police, but where many of his strongest supporters were still held, where he delivered another speech, declaring his intention to continue his campaign.

President Johnson is expected to sign an executive order expanding Secret Service protection to major party presidential candidates sometime today.


“They can try to kill me, but they cannot kill a dream, the dream my brother died for, a dream of equality, a dream of a peace, a dream of an America better tomorrow than it is today. Though shaken I am undaunted, I will continue to fight, and I will win.”
-excerpt from Robert F. Kennedy's second remarks in the early morning of June 5, 1968.
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MAINEiac4434
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2017, 05:14:45 AM »
« Edited: April 07, 2018, 09:19:50 PM by maineiac4434🌲 »
"While Sirhan didn't kill Kennedy, he effectively killed my campaign. Everyone rallied around Bobby after that. I kept fighting the good fight, but I knew it was over, too."
- Excerpt from Eugene McCarthy's interview with Barbara Walters, May 9, 1998

"At that point in time, Hill and I were working on the McCarthy campaign, like a lot of young people. But after the Ambassador Hotel incident, Gene probably lost half of his most committed volunteers to Bobby. The thought of another Kennedy being gunned down made a lot of people want to rally around Bobby. Hell, he landslided us in Illinois the next week."
-Excerpt from an interview with the First Gentleman, the former Secretary of State and Ambassador to the United Nations, Bill Clinton, July 15, 2014

Illinois Democratic Primary, 1968
Robert Francis Kennedy: 85%
Eugene McCarthy: 11%
Unpledged: 4%

"A few hours after the results from Illinois came in, Missouri announced that its delegates would be pledged to Bobby. About that time I received a call from my friend John Podesta, who was one of the McCarthy ... defectors, for lack of a better word. He convinced me to join Bobby, too. At that point I was convinced he'd be the nominee, no matter how much establishment support Humphrey had."
-Excerpt from an interview with New York Governor Hillary Clinton, April 28, 2008.
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2017, 09:00:36 AM »
I love how subtle the changes are. This is quickly becoming one of my favorites. Keep up the good work!
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2017, 11:24:23 AM »
This has already just started and I'm loving it. I wish it was reality.
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2017, 01:33:02 PM »
Great take on a frequently discussed (and oft-attempted) topic!
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MAINEiac4434
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2017, 04:32:17 PM »
« Edited: July 21, 2017, 09:33:02 PM by Al Franken 2020 »
"You know, privately, a lot of us in the Democratic establishment always wondered how minority voters would split between a white candidate with a great civil rights record - in the case of '68, Gene - and a black candidate. Well, Bobby already had significant minority support. By far, he was the choice of Civil Rights leaders from John Lewis to Cesar Chavez. But after the Los Angeles incident...well, the minority communities rallied even more behind him."
-excerpt from an interview with Mayor Richard M. Daley, June 2, 2010.

"He was, already, the candidate of black America. And when he was nearly killed, it infuriated black America. He was...basically, one of us. And they tried to kill one of us? Just a few months after Dr. King?"

"I visited Bobby's campaign a few days before the Illinois primary. In Chicago, almost all the volunteers were black or Hispanic. He had become, effectively, the first black presidential candidate. I knew then that Gene was basically a dead candidate walking and Hubert Humphrey stood no chance at the convention."
-except from an interview with Democratic Vice Presidential candidate John Lewis, October 30, 2008.

"The convention? Jeez...that's a whole story in and of itself."
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2017, 10:24:34 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2018, 04:01:53 PM by maineiac4434🌲🌹 »
Part II: The Convention that Changed America

"No comment."
- Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley's response to the question, "Was there an order to violently disperse the protesters?" Press conference on August 30, 1968.

"I'll be honest, we didn't know what to expect in Chicago. We knew there'd be protesters, we knew Abie Hoffman was planning something, we knew Daley didn't want jack (expletive) to do with them. We were afraid that the CPD might violently disperse the protesters. I had Bobby on the phone with Daley every day trying to get a straight answer."
- excerpt from an interview with Pierre Salinger, September 30, 1979.

"Yeah, what dad had planned wasn't going to be good for Democrats."
- excerpt from an interview with Richard M. Daley, June 8, 2011.

"We should remember that at this time, Mayor Daley was still a Humphrey supporter and looked at Bobby with suspicion."
- excerpt from President Hillary Clinton at a "Bobby '68: 45 Years Later" event in Manhattan, November 8, 2013.

"If Mayor Daley had anything planned, he never let Hubert know. Hubert told me everything."
- excerpt from an interview with Senator Muriel Humphrey, January 14, 1990.

"Some of us left on Gene's tattered campaign hoped that something bad would happen. They figured, '(expletive) Kennedy, (expletive) Humphrey, (expletive) Johnson, (expletive) the Democrats.' Many of us felt betrayed. Of course, my girlfriend was working for Bobby at the time so I didn't feel that way at all..."

"I don't think Dad or [Chicago Police Superintendent James B.] Conlisk had any idea how many were going to come."
- excerpt from an interview with Richard M. Daley, July 10, 1998.
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2017, 10:27:11 PM »
« Edited: April 07, 2018, 09:22:56 PM by maineiac4434🌲 »

"So thousands of them arrived. Hell, tens of thousands of them. And they marched. And the Police were on edge."
-Excerpt from Pierre Salinger's 1993 book, With Bobby Kennedy.

Someone told Senator Kennedy what the police were going to do to get the protests 'under control' -- I use that term loosely, by the way..."

"He was watching on TV in his hotel room...and he saw that things were on a knife edge out there...that they were going to get pretty bad pretty quickly."
-excerpt from Chief of Staff John Podesta at a "Bobby '68: 45 Years Later" event in Manhattan, New York, November 8, 2013.

"He told us he was going to go out to try to talk to the crowd. I distinctly remember someone shouting 'you can't go out there, you're gonna get killed!'"
- excerpt from an interview with Pierre Salinger, February 14, 1999.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2017, 12:47:57 PM »
Kennedy/Bayh!
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2017, 06:17:22 PM »
« Edited: April 07, 2018, 09:23:48 PM by maineiac4434🌲 »
"It was the most remarkable thing I’d ever seen. Bobby grabbed a megaphone, got on top of a police car, and asked everyone to be calm. And they listened. Both the protesters and the police."
-excerpt from an interview with Richard Daley, July 10, 1998


"I know that many of you feel like your voices are not being heard, that no one truly represents you. I understand. The war in Vietnam is a tragedy of unspeakable proportions. I know many of you are angry that nothing seems to be done about it, that the Democratic Party's establishment is committed to continuing the war. But I'm here to tell you, that as long as I'm standing I will oppose this war. And if I'm lucky enough to be elected your president, then I promise you, the war will be over before the next presidential election.

"I also have a message for the police officers. I know that you are under orders to suppress this demonstration. But I beg of you, let them hold a nonviolent march. It reflects poorly, not only on your department or your city but our great nation in its entirety to see unarmed young people being harassed by police. As a nation, we must be better than that. I beg of you, officers, from the bottom of my heart: allow them to protest unmolested!"

"It worked. I don't know how, but it worked."

"It was absurdly quiet after the speech. Bobby stepped down from the police car and went back inside. I remained outside, and watched as the protesters began singing 'Kumbaya'. The police stepped out of the way and allowed them to march."

"It seems almost like a cliché now....the hippies singing Kumbaya, the police quietly stepping aside and allowing them to march. I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it myself. But it happened. And thank god it did."

"I saw the speech live on NBC. After it was done, I told my aides I was dropping out and endorsing Bobby. A few months earlier I had hated his guts for stealing a race I felt entitled to. But, while he standing on that police car addressing that crowd, I realized that this man was the only hope for America."
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2017, 07:25:56 PM »

Yes!
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2017, 12:09:22 AM »
« Edited: May 08, 2018, 08:41:23 PM by maineiac4434🌲 »

"My fellow Americans...my fellow Democrats! When I first entered the presidential campaign on November 30, 1967, I had hoped to emerge as a candidate who could bring the issues of vital importance to the youth and the disaffected of America to the forefront of the debate. Never, ever, did I think I would actually have a chance to win the nomination of this fine party, that I'd be here in Chicago with a puncher's chance of taking on Nixon!

"But, my friends, while we came close, we did not come close enough. So it is with...a heavy heart, but boundless optimism and enthusiasm for America's future that I withdraw my name from the nominating process, and free my delegates to vote for whomever they may choose.

"But who I am choosing, my fellow Democrats, is the man that bested me in many primaries this year. It is the man who has united women and blacks and immigrants behind him. It is the man with the plan to remove US forces from Vietnam as soon as 1972. It is the man with the best chance to defeat Nixon and the Republicans in November. That man, is Robert Francis Kennedy!

"Kennedy has united the country behind him. He has experience in the executive branch and legislative branch, knows Washington inside and out and is a helluva strong liberal to boot! Robert Kennedy will have my full support during the balloting, and he should have yours too! With Kennedy leading the ticket, the Democrats cannot be defeated in November!"

"Yeah, some of us were heartbroken. But we realized it was for the best for the country."

"At that point I think Hubert knew he was very unlikely to be the nominee."

"We were ecstatic. We didn't think Gene would actually do it."

"At that point, Dad realized that Kennedy would be the nominee, and he knew he had to get on board the train or get run over by it. President Johnson protested vehemently, but as Chair of the Convention, Dad had the final say: a voice vote for the nominee."

"All those who wish to nominate Senator Robert Francis Kennedy of New York as the Democratic Party's nominee for President of the United States, say aye! All opposed say nay! The ayes have it!!"
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2017, 05:16:57 PM »
I should point out that Ted Kennedy and his wife would almost assuredly back Bayh for Vice President after he saved Ted Kennedy's life.
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2017, 11:42:15 PM »

"My fellow Americans. It is with tremendous pride and optimism that I accept your nomination as Vice President of the United States!
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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2017, 09:03:04 AM »
Oh please. Don't abandon this.

One of the best threads I've seen on here. Any updates coming?
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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2017, 03:26:45 PM »
There's an unofficial yet strongly observed rule the UN Secretary General can't come from a state that has permanent seat in the Security Council. Other than that, it's good so far.
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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2017, 06:27:39 PM »
Quote from: BL53931 on June 11, 2017, 09:03:04 AM
Oh please. Don't abandon this.

One of the best threads I've seen on here. Any updates coming?
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