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    What was all that about making ships and big cakes? (Translated with Q/A from rep)

    Question was brought up on the Japanese side thread regarding whatever happened to the joint production – making big cake, ships that was announce by the old dev team. I translated some of the comments from there to show what some of the JP people are talking about this one. Wanted to see what you guys feel about it as well.

    Japanese original thread link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/13456

    Translation may not be correct so adding original text with translation on bottom. Give the credit to the original people who quoted each text if you agree to them. Click on the blue arrow next to their name in the quote – (goes to the original quoted post if you didn’t know.)

    Video referring to old dev team announcing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cW56J8Gc5A

    What was all that about making ships and big cakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by tamori View Post
    あれはお蔵入りになったのですか?
    それともアレがグランドカンパニークエスト?
    LSメンとひゃっほいして船乗り回したり出来ると信じてた自分が阿呆だったのか
    Whatever happened to it, did it get dumped?
    Or is that Grand Company Quest?
    I was dumb thinking we can ride on a ship and go around with LS members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triairy View Post
    皆さん、こんばんは。

    昨年9月のイベントでご紹介した船やケーキを作るというシーンと共にご紹介した共同製作について、プロデューサーの吉田に確認をしてきました。

    共同製作自体が白紙になったとかいうことでは勿論ありませんが、現在も検討段階にあります。主に、共同製作を行うことの意味/動機付けと、共同製作で製作されたものの用途を明確にするということを行っており、それら一連をセットで実装していく方針ということでした。

    というわけで、まだまだ検討段階ではありますが、具体的な内容が見えてきた段階でまたご報告したいと思います。

    Greetings Eveyrone.

    I have brought up the question to Yoshida producer regarding the ships and cake we showed last year September.


    It doesn’t mean that the joint production (collaboration) to make something has been dumped; it is still being looked into it. We are looking for a reason to why you have to make something as team/joint production; making it clear for what usage created stuff has after and implementing as a set.


    So, currently it is still being looked into but if we get more information we will let you know as we see more information.


    Quote Originally Posted by Poice View Post
    相変わらず最初にトレイラー作ってイメージを共有(でしたっけ?)してからゲーム作り始めるんですね?これがe流?

    新体制ではそんなことをしないようお願いいたします
    Translation: So basically the trailer was made to make an image, then being worked on for the actual game? Is this SE style?

    I hope the new dev team doesn’t do the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by nekoko View Post
    まだまだ検討中なんですね
    このケーキや大砲作るためにFF14をやろうと決めたぐらいだったのに・・・
    Still being looked into huh, making this type of cake or cannon was the reason I wanted to play FF14…

    Quote Originally Posted by syachosan View Post
    ということは、発売の段階で全く開発には手付かず、検討すらされていない状態だったにもかかわらず、 (あえて旧体制ではと入れておきますが)いかにもこれから実装されるような宣伝をして客を集めたわけですね。ようくわかりました。所詮売ったもの勝ちのオ ンラインゲームの甘い蜜に逆らえなかったと言うこと。FFならば・・・と期待した自分が馬鹿でした。正直なコメントありがとうございます。

    しかし、それを「やっぱりダメでした」「前任者の計画なので・・・」と逃げずに、意地でも、やり遂げてください。それがff14をウソにしない唯一の方法だと思います。

    これからは「ウソ、おおげさ、まぎらわしい」「過大広告」には企業として真摯に姿勢を改めてもらいたいと思います。
    So this means when this game was released the dev team didn’t even touch this stuff, and didn’t even look into it (just adding the old team); just advertising it like its going to be released soon to get people. Was dumb for me thinking hoping since this is FF… Thank you for the honest comment.

    But please don’t say “sorry we couldn’t” or “It was plan from the previous team…” please try to finish/make it. I think that is the only way to keep FF14 being a LIE

    Quote Originally Posted by 141414 View Post
    旧体制が3月までに実装を約束してたこと
    ・ハムレット攻防戦
    ・コテージ 船の実装
    ・配達システム
    LSシステムの見直し
    ・リーヴ追加
    ・クラスクエスト追加
    ・アイテム指定交換
    ・サーチ機能
    ・称号システム
    ・カンパニー機能

    全てはお客様のためにとは何だったのか?  PS3のお客様の為に?
    PC版の先行コアFFファンはどーでもいいのかよ
    Old team promised the following by March (2011 ß added this in myself to make sure people understand…)
    - hamlet
    - cottage, ship
    - delivery system
    - LS system
    - More leve’s
    - Search Function
    - title system
    - Company feature

    All for the customer, what was that about? All for the PS3 customer? All the PC FF core fans don’t matter!?

    ============

    I completely forgot about it myself till I saw the thread + remembered the video LOL. Personally I don't care if this stuff got delayed but just posted since rep responded to it yesterday (this morning??)

    Only part that got me to think oh yeah... that is true... is probably the last comment i translated about the old team promising to finish by March, forgot when Tanaka's team said that, probably around December right before team got changed no? I didn't expect all those changes since I know how hard it is to program these stuff but Kind of expected at least better linkshell system, delivery system, and the search function by now. Didn't think that was going to take 6 month + and still going.

    Just posting if anyone was interested, had this stuff in mind.
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    Last edited by Reinheart; 06-21-2011 at 02:19 AM.

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    The cake is a lie.

    /overrated_comments
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    basically those were things that tanakas team wanted to do/finish. yoshidas team decided to put it on the back burner and decided not to add the content till he was sure what HE wanted to do with it. Tanaka may have wanted boats for pvp, yoshida may not, tanaka may have wanted huge cakes for decorating a guild hall, or making a LS food resource, but yoshida wasnt even sure he wanted to do the companies.

    simply comes down to a change of development team and a different style of administration, they take some resources and use it differently, like some of our current dungeons, would probably have been open dungeons in the old vision.

    Its good for people to ask them for these things though, because i dont think the new team realized how many things people DID want to see that the old team wanted to do.
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    Thank you for translating all this stuff for us, Reinheart. It's great to be able to see the mood of the Japanese community!

    I will cut them some slack because there was the Tōhoku earthquake and its aftermath that is still being dealt with. I don't blame them for not having all the stuff they promised ready to go, even though this stuff was promised to be ready to go before the earthquake hit.

    One of the first things Yoshi-P said when his team took over was that there was a bunch of stuff already in the works from Tanaka's crew that they would be finishing up before getting on to new stuff. I get the feeling they did not do this, or if they did, they did it sloppy, figuring they'd be redoing it later anyway. Given the amount of time it's taking them to get their redesigned stuff out the door, this was probably not the best way to go about it in hindsight.
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    Added to OP on bottom to make my point clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinheart View Post
    Old team promised the following by March (2011 ß added this in myself to make sure people understand…)
    - hamlet
    - cottage, ship
    - delivery system
    - LS system
    - More leve’s
    - Search Function
    - title system
    - Company feature

    All for the customer, what was that about? All for the PS3 customer? All the PC FF core fans don’t matter!?
    Amen to that
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    Yoshida himself mentioned that he was indeed shown the cakes, but no one showed him what the plan was to implement them. They probably didn't have one. So Yoshida basically said point blank that yeah he's seen the cakes and boats but isn't sure how to actually use them in the game.

    Third tier backburner.
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    He also said many times "I won't implement something that would have no purpose".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    He also said many times "I won't implement something that would have no purpose".
    Yeah god forbid they gave us something to actually do.

    Who cares about purpose? Is their any purpose for anything in the game right now? Sure get to rank 50 with as many classes as you want, then what? There's no gil sinks so money is close to pointless, gear is being entirely revised so spending time or money on anything is taking a huge risk because you have no idea if that piece of gear is still going to be good or not, the NMs are worthless and mostly soloable, sidequests are a complete and utter joke (and before you ask, I've done ALL OF THEM, that's how bored I am) and leves are so repetitive that if I had to do another round of Dunesfolk for dinner I'd rather quit the game alltogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    He also said many times "I won't implement something that would have no purpose".
    FFXIV's world is flat right!? I wanted to build a ship and go to the edge of the world and fall off! :P again I don't care about big cake, ships, cannons... Kind of wanted the additional hair styles they also showed on the video that's about it for me but that can come AFTER all the fixes to the game.... really really really really hope they don't screw up 1.18 -> 1.19 and (should be the biggest) 2.00
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    We've been complaining about the lack of those things on the english forums for ages too, you know.
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